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Infighters, A Debate: Dexless / Low-Dex / Regular Dex


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#1 xDae

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 11:50 PM

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So as I have progressed in Maple, Ive noticed alot of people opting for pure stat characters. For those of you who dont know, pure stat means putting every single AP into your main stat, and keeping your secondary stat as low as possible.

Examples:
  • Dexless Sins
  • Lukless Mages
  • Strless Bowman


These kinds of characters take advantage of maple weapons, which have no stat requirements. This allows them to pump their main stat to its limits and bring with it major power increases.

Pros:
  • Amazing Damage
  • Can scroll equips for main stat


Cons:
  • Lower Def and M.Def
  • Limited Equips
  • Well-Scrolled Weapon can cost hundreds of millions


Then there are those who try and wear their current level weapon and keep their secondary stat as low as possible. They use scrolled equips to keep their stat low and sill use the weapon

Examples:
  • Low-Dex Sins
  • Low-Luk Mages
  • Low-Str Bowman


Pros:
  • Can equip current level weapon, for better weapon attack


Cons:
  • Have to scroll most of their equips for their secondary stat


Finally, there are elite characters. They mix both of the play styles mentioned above. Using scrolled equips, they keep their secondary stat at its minimum and still manage to equip their current level weapon

Examples:
  • Dexless-Rab Sins
  • Lukless-Evil Wings Mages


Pros:
  • Extremely High Damage (usually)


Cons:
  • Have to scroll ALL their equips for their secondary stat


These characters have the highest damage possible. Not only do they have the maximum amount of points into their main stat, they get the advantage of using their current level weapon.

The Point of This Thread
We will be looking at three possible AP builds of Infighters (Dexless, Low-Dex, and Regular Dex) at three seperate levels (50, 100, 150). This will be the following criteria:

Base Equips
  • 15 Str, 15 Dex Zhelm
  • 2 Str, 2 Dex Speigelmann Necklace
  • 10 Dex Earrings
  • 10 Dex Yellow Snowshoe
  • 15 Atk Stormcaster Gloves


Dexless Equips
  • 25 Dex Sauna Robe
  • 3 Atk, 10 Dex Pink Adventurer's Cape


Low-Dew / Regular Dex Equips
  • Current Level overall scrolled with and additonal 25 Str
  • 3 Atk, 10 Str Pink Adventurer's Cape


Non-Equip Criteria:
  • Every character will be using their current level knuckle. The knuckle will be clean and of average stats
  • The Low-Dex character will have the absolute lowest base dex possible, while still being able to equip his current level knuckle. Even if he had a higher base dex in lower levels, we assume he reset it into Str.
  • The Low-Dex and Regular Dex characters will have the same "scrolling luck" as the Dexless character. To represent this, they have the same stat Pink Adenturer's Cape as the Dexless, but scrolled for Str instead. They also have an overall, equal to their level, scrolled for an additional 25 Str (since the Dexless uses a Sauna with 25 additional Dex)
  • The Regular Dex character will always have his base dex equal to his level, despite his dex equips
  • All characters are assumed to have rolled perfect stats. (4 Int and 4 Luk)
  • All damage calculations are comprised entirely on the characters stats and total weapon attack from equips alone.
  • Other effects such as warrior elixirs are not included


In later updates we will investigate the effects of Energy Charge (adds 20 attack), Transform (adds 20 Str) and Super Transform (adds 30 Str)

Infighter Formulas
Max- [(STR * 4.8 + DEX) / 100] * Weapon Attack
Min-(STR * 0.9 * 4.8 * Skill Mastery + DEX) / 100 * Weapon Attack

Level 50
Current Knuckle: 50 Atk Devil Claw

Dexless
Total Ability Points: 270
Stats:
  • Str: 242
  • Dex: 20
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 68
  • Str: 259
  • Dex: 92
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((259*0.9*5*0.6+92) / 100) * 68 = 538.084
Maximum Damage: ((259*5*+92) / 100) * 68 = 943.16
Damage Range: 538 ~ 943

Low-Dex
Current Overall: +29 Str Green Plaister

Total Ability Points: 270
Stats:
  • Str: 242
  • Dex: 20
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 68
  • Str: 298
  • Dex: 57
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((298*0.9*5*0.6+57) / 100) * 68 = 585.89
Maximum Damage: ((298*5*+57) / 100) * 68 = 1051.96
Damage Range: 586 ~ 1052

Regular Dex
Current Overall: +29 Str Green Plaister

Total Ability Points: 270
Stats:
  • Str: 212
  • Dex: 50
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 68
  • Str: 268
  • Dex: 87
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((268*0.9*5*0.6+87) / 100) * 68 = 551.21
Maximum Damage: ((268*5*+87) / 100) * 68 = 970.36
Damage Range: 551 ~ 970

Notes On This Level:
As you can see (and as was expected) low-dex wins at this level. Of course, we all know that the Dexless Infighter doesn't need his Sauna at this level to equip his knuckle, and could use a Str scrolled overall like the low-dex. But for the sake of a constant, equips are the same throughout for Dexless

Level 100
Current Knuckle: 74 Atk King Sent

Dexless
Total Ability Points: 520
Stats:
  • Str: 492
  • Dex: 20
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 92
  • Str: 509
  • Dex: 92
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((509*0.9*5*0.6+92) / 100) * 92 = 1348.99
Maximum Damage: ((509*5*+92) / 100) * 92 = 2426.04
Damage Range: 1349 ~ 2426

Low-Dex
Current Overall: +3 Dex, +32 Str Red Duke

Total Ability Points: 520
Stats:
  • Str: 452
  • Dex: 60
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 68
  • Str: 511
  • Dex: 100
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((511*0.9*5*0.6+100) / 100) * 92 = 1361.32
Maximum Damage: ((511*5*+100) / 100) * 92 = 2442.6
Damage Range: 1361 ~ 2443

Regular Dex
Current Overall: +3 Dex, +32 Str Green Plaister

Total Ability Points: 520
Stats:
  • Str: 412
  • Dex: 100
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 92
  • Str: 471
  • Dex: 140
  • Int: 19
  • Luk: 19


Minimum Damage: ((471*0.9*5*0.6+140) / 100) * 92 = 1298.76
Maximum Damage: ((471*5*+140) / 100) * 92 = 2295.4
Damage Range: 1299 ~ 2295

Notes On This Level:
Dexless starts to catch up to Low-Dex at this level, since the Low-Dex had to add to his base Dex. And the Regular Dex just keeps falling behind...


Level 150
Current Knuckle: 78 Atk Dragon Claw
Upgraded Necklace: 22 Str, 22 Dex Horntail Necklace

Dexless
Total Ability Points: 770
Stats:
  • Str: 742
  • Dex: 20
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 779
  • Dex: 112
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((779*0.9*5*0.6+112) / 100) * 96 = 2126.69
Maximum Damage: ((509*5*+112) / 100) * 96 = 3846.72
Damage Range: 2127 ~ 3847

Low-Dex
Current Overall: +6 Dex, +32 Str Canopus Suit

Total Ability Points: 770
Stats:
  • Str: 717
  • Dex: 45
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 796
  • Dex: 110 (108 without Maple Warrior, explained later)
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((796*0.9*5*0.6+110) / 100) * 96 = 2168.83
Maximum Damage: ((796*5*+110) / 100) * 96 = 3926.4
Damage Range: 2169 ~ 3926

Regular Dex
Current Overall: +3 Dex, +32 Str Green Plaister

Total Ability Points: 770
Stats:
  • Str: 652
  • Dex: 110
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 92
  • Str: 731
  • Dex: 173
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((731*0.9*5*0.6+173) / 100) * 96 = 2060
Maximum Damage: ((731*5*+173) / 100) * 96 = 3674.88
Damage Range: 2060 ~ 3675

Notes On This Level:
~Under Construction~
Most Low-Stat characters make sure that their secondary stat is so low, that even after all their equips they need Maple Warrior to equip their weapon. Its reflected in these statistics

Maple Warrior
As all 4th job characters know, Maple Warrior can have great effects on damage. The following data assumes each character has level 10 Maple Warrior:

Dexless

Stats After Maple Warrior:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 816
  • Dex: 113
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((816*0.9*5*0.6+113) / 100) * 96 = 2223.55
Maximum Damage: ((816*5*+113) / 100) * 96 = 3936.96
Damage Range: 2224 ~ 3937

Low-Dex

Stats After Maple Warrior:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 831
  • Dex: 110
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((831*0.9*5*0.6+110) / 100) * 96 = 2259.55
Maximum Damage: ((831*5*+110) / 100) * 96 = 4094.4
Damage Range: 2260 ~ 4095

Regular Dex
Current Overall: +3 Dex, +32 Str Green Plaister

Stats After Maple Warrior:
  • Weapon Attack: 92
  • Str: 763
  • Dex: 179
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((763*0.9*5*0.6+179) / 100) * 96 = 2149.54
Maximum Damage: ((763*5*+179) / 100) * 96 = 3834.24
Damage Range: 2150 ~ 3834

Notes On This Level:
So I guess with these equips, Low-Dex will win in the end, due to the scrolled overall for Strength. Remember that these scrolls are still rare, and a level 100 and 110 will probably be hard to get ahold of. Also remember, the Dexless only has to upgrade it's knuckle each level. The Regular and Low-Dex need to rescroll their new overalls for a least 25 Strength to keep their advantage.

And In A Perfect World...
Level 150

Equips
  • 15 Str, 25 Dex Zhelm
  • 22 Str, 22 Dex Horntail Necklace
  • 15 Dex Earrings
  • 3 Atk, 10 Dex Pink Adventurer's Cape
  • +3 Dex, +32 Str Green Plaister
  • 15 Dex Yellow Snowshoe
  • 15 Atk Stormcaster Gloves


Dexless
Total Ability Points: 770
Stats:
  • Str: 742
  • Dex: 20
  • Int: 4
  • Luk: 4


Stats After Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 811
  • Dex: 110
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Stats After Maple Warrior and Equips:
  • Weapon Attack: 96
  • Str: 878
  • Dex: 111
  • Int: 41
  • Luk: 41


Minimum Damage: ((878*0.9*5*0.6+111) / 100) * 96 = 2286.336
Maximum Damage: ((878*5*+111) / 100) * 96 = 4320.96
Damage Range: 2286 ~ 4321

BOTTOM LINE!

Low-Dex, due to new Overall Str scrolls, WILL out power Dexless. But as I said, it'll be much more expensive to maintain than a Dexless. Unless that Dexless is AMAZINGLY funded and does the build "In a Perfect World"

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Edited by xDae, 13 July 2008 - 11:52 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:43 AM

I skimmed though this and, damn you got it all thought out. x.x
I think I'll try out lowDEX when it's released. :D

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:09 AM

A little problem, not sure if you realized; There are no Overall STR scrolls out.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:38 AM

Yes, there are, Shade. I, myself, have a 30% from Zipangu Gach.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 03:19 AM

They're not in any of the databases I've seen...strange.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE(Shade @ Jul 14 2008, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're not in any of the databases I've seen...strange.


Overall STR, Weapon Accuracy, and various other scrolls (like Clean Slate and Shoe Spikes) were a recent addition to KMS. I'm surprised we got them so soon. mush1c.gif

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 07:48 AM

QUOTE(Sync @ Jul 14 2008, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Shade @ Jul 14 2008, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're not in any of the databases I've seen...strange.


Overall STR, Weapon Accuracy, and various other scrolls (like Clean Slate and Shoe Spikes) were a recent addition to KMS. I'm surprised we got them so soon. mush1c.gif


It takes longer to create the game's files for KMS than it does to translate them to English.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:04 AM

QUOTE(Sync @ Jul 14 2008, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Shade @ Jul 14 2008, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're not in any of the databases I've seen...strange.


Overall STR, Weapon Accuracy, and various other scrolls (like Clean Slate and Shoe Spikes) were a recent addition to KMS. I'm surprised we got them so soon. mush1c.gif


Shoe spikes? Wutbthey? And what are Clean Slate scrolls? T_T

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 10:34 AM

Well Im glad this is helping people make decisions.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 03:19 PM

The guide itself is nice, I'm glad someone's thinking about actual stats; There's so many topics on skill guides on Sleepy, and some of them are just stupid.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(Shade @ Jul 14 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The guide itself is nice, I'm glad someone's thinking about actual stats; There's so many topics on skill guides on Sleepy, and some of them are just stupid.

Sleepy has been in a downward spiral for months now. Nothing but snippy people thinking they have huge e-penors
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