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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:08 AM

Godfromdfo's Hero/Crusader/Fighter/Warrior guide

Copyright 2007 Godly (Godfromdfo/Cloud/Shaun)

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V2.5

Thanks Blade Oracle for pointing out a few more errors, I have
also made this guide a bit easier to read for forums.

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E-mail: shaunhoare(atsign)hotmail(dot)com
Created: November 22nd, 2007
Last Updated: December 10th, 2007

Contact me in game! I Am playing EMS on my Fighter (BRING OUT
THIRD JOB FOR EMS NEXON! lol..)

=============================================================GMS:

Quit: (I like ems too much.. so I left gms..)

Name: Godfromdfo
Guild: (H)iddenLeaf
Server: Bera

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Server: Kradia

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Use of this guide on any other web site
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NOTE: THIS GUIDE MAY BE A BIT BIASED, SORRY IF IT IS, I WILL BE
EDITING THIS GUIDE TO MAKE IT AS UN-BIASED AS POSSIBLE LATER =]

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Table Of Contents
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[0.0] Introduction

-My introduction [0.1]
-Why I made this guide [0.2]
-Version Number & update info [0.3]
-What is Maple Story? [0.4]


[0.5] Starting Maplestory

-Downloading Maple / Starting Maple[0.6]
-Controls [0.7]
-Creating A new character / Dice rolling [0.8]
-Maple Island, Starting youíre character [0.9]
-Stats [0.1.0]

[1.1] First Job!

-Why be a warrior? [1.2]
-Why not be a warrior? [1.3]
-Becoming a warrior [1.4]
-Skill Descriptions [1.5]
-Builds [1.6]
-Training guide / Where to level [1.7]

[1.8] 1st & 2nd PQ!

-1st PQ: HPQ [1.9]
-Description of HPQ [DESC1]
-What you do in HPQ [WYD1]
-2nd PQ: KPQ** [2.0]
-Description of KPQ [DESK2]
-What you do in KPQ [WYD2]

[2.1] Second Job!

-why be a Fighter? [2.2]
-why not be a fighter? [2.3]
-Why use swords? [2.4]
-why use axes? [2.5]
-Becoming a Fighter [2.6]
-Skill descriptions [2.7]
-Builds [2.8]
-Training guide / Where to level [2.9]

[3.0] 3rd & 4th PQ!

-3rd PQ: LPQ [3.1]
-Description of LPQ [DESC1]
-What you do in LPQ [WYD1]
-4th PQ: OPQ [3.2]
-Description of OPQ [DESK2]
-What you do in OPQ [WYD2]

[3.3] 3rd Job!

-Pro's of being a Crusader [pros]
-Cons of being a Crusader [cons]
-The Crusade begins! [3.4]
-Skill descriptions [3.5]
-Builds [3.6]
-Training guide/Where to level [3.7]

[3.8] A Hero is born

-coming soon

[END] Credits & Thank yous

Welcome to my Fighter guide, Press CTRL & F to
get to a certain section faster =]]

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0.0 Introduction

-My introduction [0.1]

hey! My name is Shaun (Godfromdfo), I been play playing MS for
Almost 4 years, and have played every class and that is why I
am writing this guide, because Crusader's are the best character
In the game for high single hit one on one DMG! I hope I can
help you Raise you're character a warrior And then make him
into a Fighter/Crusader. This is my first guide so please
send me some suggestions =]] I hope You enjoy reading this
easy-yet-detailed guide =]]

-Why I made this guide [0.2]

I love watching their dmg (50k+) which is the best single hit
Dmg any class in maple can do, Better then cb's they only do 6k,
Better then Dk's they only do 6k X 6 (40 odd thousand once
added), Fire mages only do around 4-5k, ice mages = 2-3k, hermit
= 7k, WK = 3-12k, so as you can see by what I just said, Crusaders
truly great for high dmg every 6 or so hits which is good for
soloering/bossing, HOWEVER they don't do the most dmg in the whole
game if you think about how much dmg each class does per minute.
The only downfall is their range, oh...
wait! No it isnít! =]]Crusaders can also do a ranged attack called:
Shout =]] well it's more of a mob skill, at level 28 it can reach
200% of the map, so you wonít have to worry about being ksed so
much =]] Well even without that skill you wonít have to worry about
being ksed =]] because you can fight in stronger areas then other
classes, Making you literally own.

-Version Number & update info [0.3]

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V2.5

Thanks Blade Oracle for pointing out a few more errors, I have
also made this guide a bit easier to read for forums.

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V2.0

Thanks Blade Oracle and GhostArcher from Mapletip for helping me
making this guide less biased and helping fix some problems with
it =]] this version I have fixed a few small things; Please report
any errors to me and say what you think is too biased, this is my
first guide afterall so it may seem a bit biased, sorry.

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V 1.5

Updated, fixed the builds (lol), some spelling errors fixed, fixed
the monsters I said that are in hpq.

I would like to say a huge thanks to XtraBlaze from Mapletip
for helping me with some errors, also thanks to Blade Oracle,
pinkfurryone, You have all helped with you're suggestions!

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V 1.337

Ok, I have fixed a nice amount of things in this guide =]
I hope you don't think i'm being to biosed in this guide
afterall guides are of oppinion and I hope you enjoy this
pretty small-but-useful update =] Contact me if you think
I should change anything, kthxbai, Godfromdfo

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V 1.0

Yeah, I know... I only updated this a few days ago...
but I spotted some mistakes that needed fixing =] I
also added a few PQ guides, and the Hero guide is
soon to be released.

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Version 0.5:

ok, I have added a Crusader guide and have completed
this Guide completely thus far =] I will be adding a hero (4th
job Crusader) Guide in the next update. I have fixed the spacing
of this guide. I have also fixed some spelling errors. Added some
ASCII art.

IF YOU STILL SEE SOME SPELLING MISTAKES THEN PLEASE CONTACT ME! TY

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The current Version is: 0.1, no updates have been made yet, I will
Be implementing a crusader guide int this in a few updates time.

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-What is Maple Story? [0.4]

Well, Maple Story (here on out called MS) is a
Korean/Japanese/English Free to Play Online Game created by Wizet
(Now owned by Nexon). MS is a 2D anime style RPG featuring various
ďJobsĒ (Warrior, Magician, Thief, and Bowman). To level up,
The player must fight monsters, gain items, and complete quests.
MS is an addictive game to many and some may spend countless
Hours/days (literally) playing this game. I have been playing
This game for nearly 4 years, trust me, it's addictive.

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[0.5] Starting Maplestory

-Downloading Maple / Starting Maple[0.6]

Go to http://mapleglobal.com to get the American version,
http://mapleeurope.com for the European Version or
http://maplesea.com if you're over sea.

Ok, download the version that suits you, now register to that
Version on the website, once you have finished installing maple,
Run it (it's the little orange mushroom) and type in the username
And password you used to register on the site with, now click on
you're gender, and click Create a new character =]]


-Controls [0.7]

Switching Channels Press Menu (or hit ESC), Change Channels

Chat Box Make sure you press the little '+' sign
At the bottom centre of your screen to
See what has been said more clearly

Healing Find a safe place and stand still for
A while or use potions)

Recovering MP MP Regenerates automatically (or use
potions)

Pick up items Press Z

World Map Press W

Inventory Press I

Statistics (AP) Press S

For more controls click on your Key Settings at the bottom right
Of screen. My favourite button is F6.

-Creating A new character / Dice rolling [0.8]

Click on create new character when you are signed in to whatever
Server you would like makes your character appearance anyway you
See fit and also name it. Ok, now time to do the DICE ROLL! Try
As hard as you can to roll your INT and LUK to a 4/4, it doesnít
Matter about what your STR and DEX are, just as long as you get a
4/4 on INT and LUK. Remember! This is to make your perfect warrior.
(Note that you can roll the dice as long as you want although
Sometimes getting 4/4 for INT and LUK takes a long time.) Also,
If you can't get 4/4 on INT and LUK then try to get at least 4/5 or
5/5 if you plan on buying AP later.


-Maple Island, Starting youíre character [0.9]

Ok, now you're in noob* island (Maple Island)
and you know the controls? good. =] I recommend
You do all the quest on maple island until level 9
because if you leave any earlier there's a high chance
of being ksed which leads to you earning less exp.

*noob: someone new to networking/gaming as it seems

-Stats [1.0]

ok, well you should have you're dex +2 of you're level so
just say you were level 12 you're dex should be 14. make
sure you're dex is at 60 by level 30 so you can hit stronger
monsters. the more STR the more dmg, the more DEX the more
ACC (&some dmg, not as much as STR though) Once you are level
30 Stop adding dex, just add str each level until you are level
40 then start adding dex.

So for example:

Lv1 STR=9 Lv6 STR=30
DEX=8 DEX=12
Lv2 STR=14 Lv7 STR=33
DEX=8 DEX=14
Lv3 STR=19 Lv8 STR=36
DEX=8 DEX=16
Lv4 STR=24 Lv9 STR=39
DEX=8 DEX=18
Lv5 STR=27 Lv10 STR=42
DEX=10 DEX=20

oh and I forgot to mention for the noob skills Put all your SP
into Three Snails and Nimble Feet. As a Warrior you don't have
any long range attacks so Three Snails is sometimes
useful even at later levels. Nimble feet is good for travelling
or just running away. Recovery is quite useless considering
the amount of HP warriors have later so donít max that =]

Leave at level 9, so you don't get ksed (as much...)

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1.1 1st job!

-Why be a warrior? [1.2]

1. Easiest to level 1-10
2. Best melee dmg (Per single hit =])
3. Slash blast owns =]]
5. Huge health

-Why not be a warrior? [1.3]

1. Hard to level 20-30 if not training right
2. Hard class to use compared to Mages & Thiefís
3. Not much mp....
4. Arenít ranged so you have to hit stuff close = [
5. Hard to pq as accuracy is low and damage
is really unstable.

-Becoming a warrior [1.4]

ok, so you have left Noob Island and are level 10?
OK! In lith harbour go all the way on the left of the map and
talk to the guy in the stall next to Jane and go to perion.

Now you're in perion, go to the top of the map, where you'll
find a building (The biggest building in Perion of all). Walk
in, and you'll see Dances With Balrog (That's his name),
Talk to him and he says as long as you have 35 STR and are
Level 10, you can become a Warrior! Congrats, You are
now a warrior =] You would have gained about 80-120 hp which
is very useful =] Now let's look at you're SP!

-Skill Descriptions [1.5]

First of all I will explain to you what each skill does:

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[Improving HP Recovery]
Max level: 16
Requirements: none

This skill will improve the amount of HP you get when you
Stand still for 10 seconds. It's not necessary, but is pretty
good at lower levels.

Level 1: Recover additional +3
Level 8: Recover additional +24
Level 16: Recover additional +50

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[Improving MAX HP]
Max level: 10
Requirements: 5 in Improving HP recovery

While having a level up and if an Ability Point is used to increase
the amount of HP, it raises the level of increase for Max HP.
Maxing this skill will give you closer to 70HP per level up.

Level 1: Add 3 more for Max HP when level up
Level 5: Add 15 more for Max HP when level up
Level 10: Add 30 more for Max HP when level up

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[Endure:]
Max level: 8
Requirements: 3 Improving Max HP

Even while hanging on a rope or on a ladder, you will be able to
recover some HP after a certain amount of time. The higher the
level, the faster the recovery time.

Level 1: Recover HP every 31 seconds
Level 4: Recover HP every 22 seconds
Level 8: Recover HP every 10 seconds

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[Iron Body]
Max level: 20
Requirements: 3 Endure

Temporarily increases your weapon's defence. This skill will may
be useless later, and is a pretty bad waste of SP!

Level 1: MP -5; Weapon defence +2 for 15 seconds
Level 10: MP -5; Weapon defence +20 for 150 seconds
Level 20: MP -10; Weapon defence +40 for 300 seconds

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[Power Strike]
Max level: 20
Requirements: none

This will your main skill for a very long time. At max level, it
does 260% damage of your normal attack, which simply is awesome.
You basically HAVE to max this; it's one of the greatest skills
You will use, You will still be using this skill at level 70+
Until you get Coma/Combo which means it's a must to max!

Level 1: MP -6; Sword damage 108%
Level 10: MP -6; Sword damage 180%
Level 20: MP -12; Sword damage 260%

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[Slash Blast]
Max level: 20
Requirements: 1 Power Strike

Your main mob skill. You lose HP and MP when using this skill.
It attacks 6 monsters within your weapon range at 130% of your
damage at level 20. Some leave it at lv10, where it does 94%
damage, while not having to deal with the double MP/HP cost,
where as others prefer to max it so they can level faster,
the choice is yours...

Level 1: MP -7; HP -8, damage 56%
Level 10: MP -7; HP -8, damage 92%
Level 20: MP -14; HP -16, damage 130%

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-Builds [1.6]

My Build (...)

level 10 -1 Improving HP Recovery
level 11 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 12 -1 Improving HP Recovery, 2 Improving Max HP Increase
level 13 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 14 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 15 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 16 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 17 -2 Improving Max HP Increase , 1 PS
level 18 -3 SB
level 19 -3 SB
level 20 -3 SB
level 21 -3 SB
level 22 -3 SB
level 23 -3 SB
level 24 -2 SB , 1 PS
level 25 -3 PS
level 26 -3 PS
level 27 -3 PS
level 28 -3 PS
level 29 -3 PS
Level 30 -3 PS

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Cheap / Health Build (Common, weak early on, high hp later)

level 10 -1 Improving HP Recovery
level 11 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 12 -1 Improving HP Recovery, 2 Improving Max HP
level 13 -3 Improving Max HP
level 14 -3 Improving Max HP
level 15 -2 Improving Max HP 1 Improving HP Recovery
level 16 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 17 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 18 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 19 -1 Improving HP Recovery (Maxed), 2 Endure
level 20 -3 Endure
level 21 -3 Endure (maxed)
level 22 -3 PS/SB
level 23 -3 PS/SB
level 24 -3 PS/SB
level 25 -3 PS/SB
level 26 -3 PS/SB
level 27 -3 PS/SB
level 28 -1 PS/SB (Maxed), 2 Iron Body
level 29 -3 Iron Body
Level 30 -3 Iron Body

at the end the build would look like

Improving HP recovery Maxed
Improving max HP maxed
Endure maxed
PS/SB maxed
Iron Body level 8.

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Strong build - Good for doing dmg early on, Not Recomended

level 10 -1 PS
level 11 -3 PS
level 12 -3 PS
level 13 -3 PS
level 14 -3 PS
level 15 -3 PS
level 16 -3 PS
level 17 -1 PS (maxed), 2 Improving HP Recovery
level 18 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 19 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 20 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 21 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 22 -1 Improving Max HP Increase (maxed), 2 SB
level 23 -3 SB
level 24 -3 SB
level 25 -3 SB
level 26 -3 SB
level 27 -3 SB
level 28 -3 SB (Maxed)
level 29 -3 Improving HP Recovery
Level 30 -3 Improving HP Recovery

at the end the build would look like

PS maxed
Improving Max Hp Increase Max
SB maxed
Improving Max Hp Recovery level 11

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Average build - not too bad...

Level 10 - 1 HP Recovery
Level 11 - 3 HP Recoveries
Level 12 - 1 HP Recovery, 2 Max HP Increase
Level 13 - 3 Max Hp Increase
Level 14 - 3 Max Hp Increase
Level 15 - 2 Max Hp Increase, 1 Power Strike
Level 16 - 3 PS/SB
Level 17 - 3 PS/SB
Level 18 - 3 PS/SB
Level 19 - 3 SB/SB
Level 20 - 3 SB/SB
Level 21 - 3 SB/SB
Level 22 - 1 SB/SB, 2 Endure
Level 23 - 1 Endure
Level 24 - 3 Iron Body
Level 25 - 3 Iron Body
Level 26 - 3 Iron Body
Level 27 - 2 Iron Body, 1 Power Strike or 1 Slash Blast
Level 28 - 3 PS/SB
Level 29 - 3 PS/SB
Level 30 - 3 PS/SB
at the end the build would look like

5 HP Recovery
10 MaxHp Increase
3 Endure
13 Iron Body
maxed PS/SB

-Training guide / Where to level [1.7]

10 - 15:

HPQ IS A MUST! , henseys Hunting Ground One - Fight Slimes or Orange mushrooms

15 - 20

Henseys Hunting Ground One - Fight Orange mushrooms,
green mushrooms or go to pig beach. HPQ IS RECOMENDED

20 - 30

PQ! PQPQPQPQPQPQPQPQPQPQPQPQ!!!!1 YOU MUST DO PQ! lol, high
exp and good rewards, if not you could train in the Dungeon
on Green mushrooms or Horny Mushrooms.

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[1.8] 1st & 2nd PQ!

-1st PQ: HPQ [1.9]

-Description of HPQ [DESC1]

The 1st PQ is in Henesys. A party of 3, including the
leader, goes into an area where you have to hit plants to obtain
seeds of a variety of colors. You then place the seeds on a
platform. If they grow into a flower you have put it in the right
place, if not try another platform. Once all the seeds have
flowered a bunny will appear and it will be attacked by monsters.
You must defend the bunny so it can make moon rice cakes for
Growly. A fairly simple quest, it requires you to be level 10
and up.

-What you do in HPQ [WYD1]

What you have to do is hit the plants, causing them to drop
seeds. Then you put the seeds on the floating grass, but not
just anywhere. You have to put them in certon places, depending on
the seed's color.

Blue seed-Upper Left patch of grass

Green Seed-Upper Right patch

Yellow Seed-Middle Left patch

Purple Seed-Middle Right

Brown Seed-Lower Left patch

Pink Seed-Lower Right patch

When all the seeds are in the right place of the floating grass,
it disapears and a flower appears. When all 6 seeds are in place,
the Moon Bunny will appear near the center.

Now is when the real action starts. Now you have to deffend
the Moon Bunny from flying monsters while it's making rice cakes.
The monsters don't really have much HP, but wave after wave will
just keep comming until the leader has 10 rice cakes and talks to
Growlie. Until then, the Moon Bunny will also keep making rice cakes.

The monsters will come from every angle of the screen so it's best to
either split up in certain areas or all stay in one spot, I recomend
you split up. Once the leader has all 10 rice cakes you willall go to
another room, whee the leader can decide weather to rush or go to bonus.

What the bonus consists of:

Pigs, Ribboned pigs, some Iron pigs (don't need much acc to
hit in hpq), which is decent exp for you're lvl.

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-2nd PQ: KPQ** [2.0]

-Description of KPQ [DESK2]

The 2nd Accompaniment is in Kerning City. A party of 4, including
the leader, goes through 5 stages solving puzzles and killing
monsters within 30 minutes. The main idea is teamwork, since each
part requires all party members to participate. At the end, a
prize is given to each person ranging from ores, equipment,
scrolls to potions. Only one party can be inside the party quest
at any given time on one channel. There is also a time limit for
completing the party quest. The time is inaccurate,
though, as it usually does not boot people out until about 30
seconds have elapsed after the minutes are over. The level limit
For this accompaniment is 21-30.

**KPQ = Kerning Party Quest

-What you do in KPQ [WYD2]

-stage 1

You must be in a party of 4, and must e lvl 21-30***, I recomend
that you, being a warrior start kpq'ing at lvl 25+ because you
wont have much accuracy if you go in under lvl 25 (unless funded)
Kpq is one of my favorites out of all the pqs (OPQ is my
favorite, but Kpq is close =])

Well, first you have to be in Kerning, and stand next to the sewer
pipes saying something like 'J>PQ' then you will get a party
invite, accept it. The leader then keeps clicking on Lakelis
Now, waiting to get into a pq may take some time because there
are other people who also want to go in, but don't worry,
Just keep waiting.. i'm sure the leader will eventualy get you in.

KPQ Basically has 4 stages, 6 if you class Boss stage and bonus.

ok, once you are in you will have to see how many tickets you
need to collect (so you can get to the 2nd stage), so you must
go and talk to Cloto to see how many you need. collect coupons
equal to the answer of the question from the Ligators on the
platforms. The Ligators have around 600-800 health and reduced
avoidability. The questions and the answer are stated below, from
smallest to largest.

Question: Minimum level for the mage's 1st job
advancement
Answer: 8

Question: Minimum level for the warrior/bowman/thief's
1st job advancement
Answer: 10

Question: Amount of experience it takes to get from
level 1 to 2
Answer: 15

Question: Minimum INT needed for the 1st mage to
advancement
Answer: 20

Question: Minimum DEX needed for the 1st thief/bowman
advancement
Answer: 25

Question: Minimum STR needed for the 1st warrior
advancement
Answer: 35

Once you have fought Ligators and got the correct amount of
tickets speak to Cloto and she will exchange them for a pass!
Nw, give you're pass to the leader (once he has passes from
everyone you can go to the next stage) oh and if anyone dies in
KPQ then don't worry! you only need 2 passes then =]

***You can lvl up in KPQ to lvl 31 and still continue, but once you
leave you can't go back in. =]

-stage 2

ok, this stage is simple, choose a vine**** to climb on.
When all 3 members are on a separate vine each, then the leader
Clicks on the NPC*****. If a huge 'WRONG' comes up, then move to
another vine******... Then have the leader click again. keep
trying until, finally, a huge 'CLEAR' goes onto the screen. Now
go through the portal (Blue door looking thing) and it's stage 3!

****Two members cannot be
on the same vine.

*****NPC = Non player character / Non playable Character

******A empty vine mush1l.gif'''

-Stage 3

This is much more confusing. What you must do is go to the top,
jump on one of the platforms******* You'll notice there
are kittens on each platform. It's Sorta like the 2nd stage,
you have to jump on a possible platform. You should try every
possibility. Use the standard numerical format

123, 124, 125, 134, 135, 145, 234, 235, 245, 345

One of the more experienced pqers would probably shout out you're
name and a number.. don't think of them as ignorant, they are
just trying to help you =] so just say you're name is Hero666
and a pq member says 'ZOMFG 666 GET TO 3 NOW!!11' then move to the
platform with 3 cats, don't argue, it's not worth it.
And just keep swapping places untill you see a huge 'CLEAR' =]
Once you have cleared it's time for stage 4

*******You can tell which number each platform is by looking at
the cats =]] 1 cat = number 1 and so forth...

-stage 4

ok, this is more annoying then all the stages in KPQ together...

Get up to the top first. Then choose a barrel (1,2,3,4,5,6) and
jump on. VERY similar to the last, so I wont eplain it much...

best order;

123,124,125,126,134,135,136,145,146,156,
234,235,236,245,246,256,345,346,356,456

it's simple once you get used to it. (you better get used to it
or you would suck at Ludi =]********)

Now it's time for the 5th step / Boss

********Unless somone will be kind enough to help mush1l.gif' you will
most likely be flamed though.

Flamed = Somone shouting at you / being aggressive

-Boss / stage 5

All you bassically do is kill all the monsters grab all the
tickets, give the leader the tickets.. simple.. so no more
explanations are needed here >=0 apart from King Slime of course

KING SLIME - You're first Mini Boss =\\

HP = 8000
MP = 100

Wpn Atk = 130
Mgc Atk = 160
Wpn Def = 160
Mgc Def = 160
Speed = 0
Hit Cap = 140
Avd Cap = 10

TIME TO PROVE YOU ARE A TRUE HERO! SOLO TIME! You will
truely make all other classes jealus of you by soloing
King Slime (Which you can solo at lvl 27+)

He could deal 200+ damage to lv30s with his Tremor attack,
It will only take you about 8 hits to kill it, which
eventhough people think mages are best for KPQING are wrong
because mages only do like 300-400dmg at that stage wheras
you could do about 600-1000... sins also suck at KPQ, bowmen..
now that's another story, they are pretty decent too, possibly
just as good as you. You also have high hp & def so his
attacks wont be so harsh on you =]

After a while, he'll send out a signal with his antenna. Several
small slimes (lv6, 50Hp) will now appear and disrupt your attack
wave for a few seconds. You should notice a few small platforms
up the top. When the slimes chase you to one side, climb up,
jump to the other side and fall down so you can attack him from
behind*********. Once you have killed him alot of slimes will
pop up. Some people say that you shouldn't kill them because
your prize becomes worse. It's a proven fact that that's a myth,
So no penalty for killing the slimes.

*********You do more dmg from hitting behind then from hitting
in front, damn these astarecs are getting long mush1l.gif'''

-Bonus / Stage 6

This stage is for a few reasons,

1. Exp

2. Gives you time to reform you're party

3. To show their rewards

4. To 'Hog'**********

**********Hog = Stay in bonus and train until time runs out.

Here's some Valuable items that you could get:

10% Scroll for Glove Dexterity
10% Scroll for Overall Dexterity
3 Black Crystal Ores
3 Diamond Ores
Weight Earrings (needed for lv25 earring quest)
Blue Bamboo Hat (lv25)
30 Screws
& more, however I wont post the other items as I think they
are useless IMO***********

***********IMO = In my Oppinion

FOR MORE INFO ON KPQ I RECOMEND THE FOLLOWING GUIDE:
http://global.hidden...general_006.txt

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Second job! [2.1]

-why be a Fighter? [2.2]

1. Most melee dmg in game. (Single hit wise.)
2. Great soloers
3. Level fast
4. when crusader you could reach over 50k dmg!
5. Don't need alot of funding
6. power Guard
7. Pretty fast swords/axes (Compared to spears..)
8. Rage, so you can do more dmg =]
9. Great against bosses, whenever a crusader goes
into zombie MM everyone CC's =]]

-why not be a fighter/Crusader? [2.3]

1. Because they are pretty hard...
2. Some think they are bad for mobbing, I don't think
they are because they have shout... but some people say
they are bad so w/e it's you're opinion.
3. Want to level fast
4. Don't have the time

-Why use swords? [2.4]

1. Most minimum dmg
2. Cheap scrolls

-why use axes? [2.5]

1. Mostmaximum dmg
2. Cheaper scrolls

-Becoming a Fighter [2.6]

Congratulations you are now level 30 (I'm assuming...) now you can
become a Fighter! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY XZOMFG!
WHOA HIGH DMG PLEASE!!!!!11111 That is exactly what I thought when
I made mine =] and it's only natural to think that, because
itís true =]

Anyway, go to Perion and to the top (in the biggest Perion
building) and speak to Dances with Balrog (The guy who gave you
you're 1st job) and speak to him, he wants you to prove yourself
and gives you a letter Now go to the bottom left of perion and
enter the portal, now go to then next portal and keep going up
through the portals, you will see the guy in no time! Speak to him
and he will challenge you, in which you have to fight Fire Boars
& Lupins (monkeys) to gain 30 Marbles, once you have fought the
monsters and got the marbles speak to the guy, he will give you a
medal/medallion now return to perion and speak again to Dances
with Balrog and say you are ready to choose you're occupation
and select Fighter.

Congratulations, you are a Fighter.

You are well on you're way to becoming a Crusader and beyond!

-Skill descriptions [2.7]

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Mastery - This should be raised to level 19 or 20 before you start
bringing up any other skills.
The increased minimum damage and accuracy is very important.

==================================================================

Final Attack - This is a good choice if you like to fight powerful
monsters with Power Strike or Slash Blast instead of normal
hitting. It lets you land an extra attack right after using a
skill attack (Power Strike or Slash Blast) without using any MP.
However, it can hurt you if you don't know how to use it.
Because a Final Attack takes less time to use than a normal attack,
it may hit the enemy before it recovers from the first knockback.
This results in a failure to knockback the enemy with the Final
Attack, even if you do sufficient damage.
Against slow enemies such as Stone Golems, this is not a big
problem. On the other hand, a normal speed monster may hit you
before you kill/knockback with a third hit, and a pepe could even
avoid your attack if it is lucky enough. To get around this problem,
either fight monsters that you will almost always kill in 1-2 hits.

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Booster - This is a very important skill if you use two-handed
axes. The reason for this is because two-handed axes are the
slowest of all weapons available to the Fighter.
However, adding points increases the duration and decreases HP/MP
cost without making the weapon any faster.
For this reason, you only need 5-6 points to start off with, and
can add more later.
At level 6, it costs 24 HP/MP and lasts for 60 seconds.
This skill should probably be taken second or third if you use
two-handed axes, and any time you want for other weapons.

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Rage - This is an extremely useful skill.
Once you raise it to level 19-20, it adds 10 Attack Power, which
is like having a sparta stronger than a doombringer, which is what
having a weapon 10 levels higher means.
After using Iron Body, the defence penalty is completely negated.
After applying multipliers from Power Strike and Slash Blast, this
can easily raise your damage by a few hundred per hit. This would
make a good second skill if you don't mind spending the extra MP
on it. It costs 20 MP for 160 seconds at level 20.

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Power Guard - This is a powerful defensive skill. When you are hit
with a touch attack (when you are ran or hitten by monsters), it
reduces the damage done to you by a certain percent and also does
that amount of damage to the monster.
For example, an attack that would normally do 100 damage to you
would do only 60 to you with level 30 Power Guard, and would also
do 40 damage to the monster.
However, it has a fairly high MP cost and short duration compared
with other Fighter spells.
This skill will reduce the damage you take by a lot, but also eats
up MP pretty quickly and has to be recast often.
It's up to you to decide when the HP it saves Youíre worth the MP
and repeated casting.

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-Builds [2.8]

Recomended Build =]

Level 30 - 1 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 31 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 32 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 33 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 34 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 35 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 36 - 3 Sword/Axe Mastery
Level 37 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 38 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 39 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 40 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 41 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 42 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 43 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 44 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 45 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 46 - 3 Final Attack: Sword/Axe
Level 47 - 3 Rage
Level 48 - 3 Rage
Level 49 - 3 Rage
Level 50 - 3 Rage
Level 51 - 3 Rage
Level 52 - 3 Rage
Level 53 - 2 Rage ,1 Power Guard
Level 54 - 3 Power Guard
Level 55 - 3 Power Guard
Level 56 - 3 Power Guard
Level 57 - 3 Power Guard
Level 58 - 3 Power Guard
Level 59 - 3 Power Guard
Level 60 - 3 Power Guard
Level 61 - 3 Power Guard
Level 62 - 3 Power Guard
Level 63 - 2 Power Guard
Level 64 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 65 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 66 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 67 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 68 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 69 - 3 Sword/Axe Booster
Level 70 - 2 sword/Axe Booster ,1 anything mush1l.gif'''

St the end of this you're skills will look be

Mastery Max
Final Attack Max
Power Guard Max
Rage Max
Weapon Booster Max
1 into Anything

-Training guide / Where to level [2.9]

30 - 35:
Jr Kitties, Wild Boars, Zombie Mushroom or Evil eyes

35 - 40:
PQ IS GREAT FOR EXP AND ITEMS or Jr Kitties, Fire Boars,
Jr wraiths, Evil eyes, pepes

40 - 45:
Ludi PQ, JR Kitties, Copper Drakes, JR Pepes. JR wraith, Wild
Cargo, Evil eyes, jr yetis or Mushmom Possibly

45 - 50:
Ludi PQ, Golems, Copper Drakes, JR yeti's, JR Pepes, Cold eyes,
Wild Cargo, Ice Drakes, Tauro Macis possibly

50 - 70

Mixed Golems, Drakes, Yeti's, Tauro Macis, Zombies, Wild Cargo,
Soul Teddy, Dark Pepe, Zombie Mushmom possibly

[3.0] 3rd & 4th PQ!

-3rd PQ: LPQ [3.1]

-Description of LPQ [DESC3]

The 3rd PQ can be done in Ludibrium. There are 9 stages
to this quest, requiring 6 party members. This quest
pushes on the fact that a variety of jobs are needed to
complete the quest. The many skills each character has,
such as Haste, Heal, Darksight, and Teleport are needed
in order to pass some of the stages. This PQ has a new
attribute that the first one does not, boxes. Boxes are
opened by using a melee attack, opening the box either
drops a pass, or spawns monsters. After defeating the boss
on the 9th stage, there is a bonus stage in which characters
open boxes. The boxes will drop lots of coins, potions and
sometimes, a random equipment (earrings, and capes).
After this stage, which lasts for 1 minute, the prize is given.
Prizes consist of potions, ores, and equipment.
The level limit for this PQ is 35-50, I recomend you LPQ at lvl40.

-What you do in LPQ [WYD3]

First you must join a party of 6, then you need to cc************
to whichever channel the leader tells you to go to. then once you
have entered you will be in stage 1.

-Stage One

Move up and down the area, killing the black ratz. They've got a
little more HP than usual. Each kill will net you one coupon.
Give them to your leader, then have him talk to the red balloons
NPC to open the portal to the next stage. Have 2 or 3 of your
party members go through the portal. The rest, wait a moment.

-Stage Two

The 2 or 3 members who went through should go down to the second box. When
they hit it, all the members you sent into Stage Two will be moved to the
Tower's Trap. Basically it's just a mini-stage to do, but since you've got
3 or 4 other party members waiting to come through, you can do Stage Two and
Tower's Trap simultaneously. Once the 2 or 3 have been taken to the Trap, the
other members should go through the portal and beat Stage Two as usual. Both
groups need to hit all the blue boxes they come across; each one will drop a
coupon. You may need a Mage in the trap to teleport over to a difficult-to-
reach box. When both groups are done, give all 15 tickets to the leader and
have him talk to the orange balloons. Everyone go through the portal.

-Stage Three

Most of the boxes in this stage will spawn Bloctopus, which each drop a
coupon when killed. Your party should split up. Half can go down and smash
the boxes as they go. The bloctopus will fall down to the bottom area, where
you can easily mob attack them. The other half should go up and kill all the
bloctopus up there. Give all your coupons to the leader, who gives them to
the yellow balloons. Go through the portal.

-Stage Four

When you reach this stage, everyone should drop down to the bottom. Then
work your way up. When you reach a portal (the bottom and top portals don't
do anything), mark that you went in by dropping 10 mesos or an item near the
portal. Then go in. Inside it's completely dark and there are 1 or more
monsters inside. The monsters are black so you can't see them, but every once
in awhile they will open their eyes. You can only hit them when their eyes
are open. Once you're done, leave through one of the portals in your room.
Then if there are any more unmarked portals, do one of those rooms, otherwise
go up to the balloons and wait for the rest of your party. Drop your coupons.
The leader should click the lime-green balloons to open the portal. Everybody
through.

-Stage Five

The thief should turn on Dark Sight and go down through the golems. There are
several portals. He/she needs to go through each one and collect the passes
in each room. Some contain more golems.. make sure you remain darksighted; the
golems do 8k+ damage per hit. The rest of the party, go up. Again, mark the
portals you go into. Two members should go through each portal. In every room,
climb up and jump off the side of the rope onto the chests on the side of the
room. The mage with teleport needs to take the top portal. Have him/her
teleport (or Haste jump) up into the portal. In their room, they need to
teleport directly down into their stage. Once everyone's done, they should
drop their passes to their leader, and go through the portal.

-Stage Six

At this point, someone in your party will probably announce the order to
the noob's.. this is it: 133 221 333 123 111. Hit UP while standing on the
numbered barrels in that order. At the top is a portal; use it.

-Stage Seven

Once in the next room, go down to the bottom. Someone in your
party will be picked to kill ratz. Every time they kill a black ratz, a
Rombard miniboss will spawn in the bottom area. A cleric should have no problem
keeping you healed. After it takes a bit of damage it'll summon block golems..
just kill them all and after every Rombard kill, tell the guy who's up killing
ratz to kill another one. Another Rombard will spawn. Be careful! Multiple
rombards can spawn if the ratz-hunter kills more than 1 at a time, making it
difficult to beat this stage. After all the coupons are collected, give them to
your leader and go through the portal.

-Stage Eight

Like the Kerning PQ, but with nine boxes. This can get tedious
and the #1 and #2 are coveted, although they're usually reliquished to the
party newbie if they're too slow. This is an example of the order, if you don't
remember: 12345 12346 12347 12348 12349 12356 12357 12358 12359 12367 12368 etc
until you get the right combination. It can get confusing after 1 and 2 start
moving, but you shouldn't have much trouble.

-You're 1st Real Boss

That king slime was a Mini Boss for a reason, it can be soloed
at a low lvl... Alishar on the other hand would require a
high lvl to solo it like a lvl 47+ BUUUUUT you are a Fighter
so you are most likely the strongest there =] so if you
'MUST' be a Hero then solo it at lvl 42+ =]] Once ali is
Dead you get to either go to Bonus stage or rush =]

Bonus stage = less chance of getting back in, but get
some GREEEEEEEEEAT items =]

Rushing = High chance of getting back in.

************cc = Change Channel

-4th PQ: OPQ************* [3.2]

-Description of OPQ [DESK4]

well, instead of me writing out a whole setion
eplaining what you do in OPQ I will just link you
to a great OPQ tut! (sigh, I will make my own
sometime later maybe) go to
'http://global.hidden-street.net/guides/files/general_015.txt'


-What you do in OPQ [WYD4]

You go to the above link I posted >=0 because i'm still working
on my own OPQ guide =]

*************OPQ = Orbis Party Quest

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[3.3] 3rd Job!

-Pros & Cons of a Crusader

[pros]

1. Highest third job dmg in the game! (single hit wise.)
2. Best at soloing Bosses
3. somewhat ok range skill (shout)
4. Look good =]]
5. STUNNING DMG!111
6. Can ks all other classes, easily (If fighting in harder
places where it takes other classes 5+ hit's to kill...)

[cons]

1. Not as good mob ability as dks
...umm......... thatís it......

-The Crusade begins! [3.4]

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU WONT ARE GOING TO BECOME A CRUSADER!
KSERS NOW DON'T STAND A CHANCE! =]]

Go to Perion talk to Dances With Balrog. He will send you
to El Nath to talk to the Third Job Instructor, Tylus.
You will instructed to get a Necklace of Power and Necklace
of Wisdom.

-Skill descriptions [3.5]

[Improving MP Recovery]
Max level: 20

Very helpful! Save a nice amount of MP pots. MAX this out after
your vital skills.

Level 1: Recover additional +2
Level 10: Recover additional +20
Level 20: Recover additional +30

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[Shield Mastery]
Max level: 20

ÖNot useful, considering most warriors use two handed swords/two
handed axes.

Level 1: Weapon defence +5%
Level 10: Weapon defence +50%
Level 20: Weapon defence +100%

==================================================================

[Combo Attack]
Max level: 30

This is why you want to be a Crusader. Combo is an amazing skill
that makes shining orbs circle around you, which last for 200 sec
at max Level, making you do those crazy 30-50k+ amount of damage.
MAX This Out First!

Level 1: MP -25; Weapon attack +104% for 100 seconds, max combo
counter 3
Level 15: MP -30; Weapon attack +160% for 140 seconds, max combo
counter 4
Level 30: MP -35; Weapon attack +220% for 200 seconds, max combo
counter 5

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[Panic: Sword]
Max level: 30

Great Skill, once combo combine with this you will do damage more
than DK and WK. Also has a very good chance of putting enemies in
darkness.

Level 1: MP -10; Weapon attack +150% and 32% chance to put it
into darkness
Level 15: MP -17; Weapon attack +273% and 60% chance to put it
into darkness
Level 30: MP -24; Weapon attack +350% and 90% chance to put it
into darkness

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[Panic: Axe]
Max level: 30

Same as sword.

Level 1: MP -10; Weapon attack +150% and 32% chance to put it
into darkness
Level 15: MP -17; Weapon attack +273% and 60% chance to put it
into darkness
Level 30: MP -24; Weapon attack +350% and 90% chance to put it
into darkness

==================================================================

[Coma: Sword]
Max level: 30

This attack isnít as good as Panic, so you wonít do those purely
30k+. although it got a chance to stun your enemy.

Level 1: HP -15, MP -12; Basic attack +84%, 32% chance to stun
enemy
Level 15: HP -20, MP -19; Basic attack +140%, 60% chance to stun
enemy
Level 30: HP -25, MP -26; Basic attack +200%, 90% chance to stun
enemy

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[Coma: Axe]
Max level: 30

Same as sword.

Level 1: HP -15, MP -12; Basic attack +84%, 32% chance to stun
enemy
Level 15: HP -20, MP -19; Basic attack +140%, 60% chance to stun
enemy
Level 30: HP -25, MP -26; Basic attack +200%, 90% chance to stun
enemy

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[Armour Crash]
Max level: 20

This move can cancel out the enemy's physical defence up skill in
a certain rate. Although this is good to have, I recommend maxing
this out later.

Level 1: MP -35; 24% chance to nullify enemy's physical defence
up
Level 10: MP -17; 60% chance to nullify enemy's physical defence
up
Level 20: MP -7; 100% chance to nullify enemy's physical defence
up

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[Shout]
Max level: 30

Another reason why you want to be a Crusader. Shout attacks all
enemies within 200% attack range, which means, now you can KS or
STOP GETTING KS by other classes.

Level 1: MP -8; Basic attack +11%, range +110%, 52% stun for 5
seconds
Level 15: MP -12; Basic attack +22%, range +150%, 80% stun for 7
seconds
Level 30: MP -16; Basic attack +30%, range +200%, 95% stun for 10
seconds


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-Builds [3.6]

Level 71- 3 into Combo Attack (4)
Level 72- 3 into Combo Attack (7)
Level 73- 3 into Combo Attack (10)
Level 74- 3 into Combo Attack (13)
Level 75- 3 into Combo Attack (16)
Level 76- 3 into Combo Attack (19)
Level 77- 3 into Combo Attack (22)
Level 78- 3 into Combo Attack (25)
Level 79- 3 into Combo Attack (28)
Level 80- 2 into Combo Attack (MAX), 1 into Panic [weapon]
Level 81- 3 into Panic [weapon] (4)
Level 82- 3 into Panic [weapon] (7)
Level 83- 3 into Panic [weapon] (10)
Level 84- 3 into Panic [weapon] (13)
Level 85- 3 into Panic [weapon] (16)
Level 86- 3 into Panic [weapon] (19)
Level 87- 3 into Panic [weapon] (22)
Level 88- 3 into Panic [weapon] (25)
Level 89- 3 into Panic [weapon] (28)
Level 90- 2 into Panic [weapon] (MAX) 1 into Shout
Level 91- 3 into Shout (4)
Level 92- 3 into Shout (7)
Level 93- 3 into Shout (10)
Level 94- 3 into Shout (13)
Level 95- 3 into Shout (16)
Level 96- 3 into Shout (19)
Level 97- 3 into Shout (22)
Level 98- 3 into Shout (25)
Level 99- 3 into Shout (28)
Level 100- 2 into Shout (MAX), 1 Coma [weapon]
Level 101- 3 Coma [weapon] (4)
Level 102- 3 Coma [weapon] (7)
Level 103- 3 Coma [weapon] (10)
Level 104- 3 Coma [weapon] (13)
Level 105- 3 Coma [weapon] (16)
Level 106- 3 Coma [weapon] (19)
Level 107- 3 Coma [weapon] (23)
Level 108- 3 Coma [weapon] (26)
Level 109- 3 Coma [weapon] (29)
Level 110- 1 Coma [weapon] (MAX), 2 Improving MP Recovery
Level 111- 3 Improving MP Recovery (5)
Level 112- 3 Improving MP Recovery (8)
Level 113- 3 Improving MP Recovery (11)
Level 114- 3 Improving MP Recovery (14)
Level 115- 3 Improving MP Recovery (17)
Level 116- 3 Improving MP Recovery (MAX)
Level 117- 3 Armour Crash
Level 118- 3 Armour Crash (6)
Level 119- 3 Armour Crash (9)
Level 120- 3 Armour Crash (12)

-Training guide/Where to level [3.7]

Level 70-90

FoG, Big Cats [may be too easy...], Hectors/White Pangs [May
also be too easy...], Zombies, Gryphons, Tauromacis, Taurospears,
Duals, possibly Zakuhm if godly equipped =]

Level 90-100
Taurospears, Duals (may be too easy) lycanthropes, Fire Dog,
JR Ballrog, Crimson Rog, Grims, Spirit Vikings, Lethal Squids.
(Zakuhm if good equips)

Level 100+

Grims, Spirit Vikings, Lethal Squids, JR Balrog, Crimson Rog,
Zakuhm

==================================================================

[3.8] A Hero is born

-Coming soon

==================================================================

Credits & Thank yous [END]


Well, for now, this guide ends here; I'm always playing Maple,
so I might add more stuff anytime, I'm Godfromdfo in Kradia (EMS),
so if anyone would like to chat / get more advice speak to me on
there / or email me on: shaunhoare (atsign) hotmail (dot) com

Thank you to:

I would like to thank 'Brian Gordon' for the Ludi guide which
can be found
'http://global.hidden-street.net/guides/files/general_002.txt'
His guide is a bit diffrent to mine, but they are somewhat
similier so I thought it's best to credit him too.
Tinmap for the temporary OPQ Guide

XtraBlaze from Mapletip also, Thanks to Blade Oracle &
pinkfurryone & GhostArcher, You have all helped with
you're suggestions and comments =]

SITES WITH PERMISSION TO USE THIS GUIDE:

Hidden-Street.net

basilmarket.com

Gamefaqs.com

mapletip.com (all)

Wikipedia (all)

Neoseeker.com

And all others that email me asking for permission.

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Thanks again for reading, Bye.

Edited by godfromdfo, 10 December 2007 - 07:55 PM.




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Posted 28 November 2007 - 04:05 PM

I disagree with the line "crusaders are the best characters in the game" and everyone else will too.

No one really considers max damage much compared to damage per second, in which case Saders are not the best.

Interesting DEX build. Perhaps you should consider the other ones and mention them.

You actually do need to buy lots of HP pots because as a melee class, you have to be close to the monster, increasing the chances of being hit.

Warriors are actually the easiest class to use IMO. That's why it's recommended for beginner players.

You astound me. Your recommended skill build is perhaps the most unrecommended skill build by anyone else. This is because your second skill build allows for you to have the maximum possible HP, one of the most important aspects of a warrior. The most common and recommended warrior build is 5 HP Recovery>MAX HP Increase>MAX PS/SB (one then the other)>whatever.

You emphasize the damage thing too much, especially because pages can do the same damage, and damage fluctuates so much when taking into account scrolled items.

I would recommend 6-9 booster after mastery because it will speed up training immensely.

You should mention that Saders only have ZOMG awesome damage every 6 hits. Also, Saders are very easily KSed by hermits....

Not to sound condescending, but overall, the guide is too subjective and in some places misinformed.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 05:07 PM

Warriors are indeed easy, for the most part, as it's just like training as a beginner. Just VERY powered up. The guide's very very biased, and shouldn't be so biased. If people want to be a Fighter/Crusader/Hero, they will, but that does not mean they're the best class.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:33 PM

updated.

Edited by godfromdfo, 10 December 2007 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 05:06 PM

Damage per second is a better way of measuring damage output, which is why it is more helpful than "I can hit up to this much." Also the reason why swords are preferred over axes.

Indeed, consider the different DEX caps, the DEX=2X your level thing which many people do, things like that.
QUOTE
1.1 1st job!

-Why be a warrior? [1.2]

1. Easiest to level 1-10
2. Best melee dmg
3. Slash blast owns =]]
4. No need to buy tons of pots
5. Huge health


The reasoning for getting the maximum amount of HP is the same reasoning for mages to get the maximum amount of MP. In the early stages, it's so easy to level up that you don't really need extra damage. The fact that Improving Max HP builds upon each level puts you at a loss of at least 500+ HP in the future. Maybe you don't mind but others might, so mention your health build not as "NOT recommended" but rather as an equally good alternative.

The high damage thing is just scattered around the guide. I don't know, maybe I was just in the mindset that you thought only saders can do WOMG HIGH DMG!!!!111 as opposed to the other classes.

My recommendation of booster is similar to the reasoning behind putting one MP eater early: it just helps out so much but takes only a few levels to get to that helpfulness. As the saying goes, a little goes a long way.

Lol, you haven't met many hermits then. Most can throw out a hell of a lot of damage before you can even reach the monster. I suppose that's less true in Ludi tower where the monsters are large and cumbersome, but it is still a possibility (not that I like getting KSed by hermits >_>).

Misinformed mainly with the warrior build. Also, they assuredly cannot KS any class, and as a con, their damage is extremely unstable. I've a sader, and I've played a WK, and I feel better when I know I will kill something in 4 hits rather than 3-6 hits.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 12:49 PM

Updated the guide with some pretty nice things fixed, I emailed Hidden-Street with the update so it will be up shortly; I would like some suggestions from you guys on what you think need fixing in it such as for example : dont you mean HPQ and not HPQ at lvl 15 =\ <-- for example because I could have Typos in it, I have also fixed tons of spelling like when it said Local instead of level.. and some other things like the builds, I will not update my first post as it was too much hassle last time, so please suggest what I should do after looking at HS, kthxbai

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V 1.337

Ok, I have fixed a nice amount of things in this guide =]
I hope you don't think i'm being to biosed in this guide
afterall guides are of oppinion and I hope you enjoy this
pretty small-but-useful update =] Contact me if you think
I should change anything, kthxbai, Godfromdfo

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 03:36 PM

Um, have you actually changed anything? Here or on HS? Everything looks the same, and if it's not the same, then there are parts that you haven't edited that you should.

Also, most guides aren't supposed to be opinionated. They're supposed to give an objective view, and only then can it be correctly informative. You aren't supposed to be trying to convince people to become a certain class (because then it certainly would be biased) but rather lay out facts. But meh, it's your guide.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 06:04 PM

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Also, most guides aren't supposed to be opinionated. They're supposed to give an objective view, and only then can it be correctly informative.

This has to be the best thing said in all the replies.

godfromdfo, like Blade Oracle said guides are here to inform those players who want to play the class, not be biased on whether the class is good, or not - or if it's even the best... this is why the majority of guides don't provide PROs vs. CONs.

I do think that the guide creator's opinion will be heard throughout the guide (ie. me and my poison brace distaste) but you clearly just jump out and say things like "they do the highest damage" and "are the best."

Simply state builds, where to train, tips, etc... a good guide is based on the information provided, not the opinions given.

And like other people stated, your recommended build SUCKS. It's as simple as that. It's not a matter of opinion whether damage is better than hp - it's a matter of fact that you will pay dearly for not adding pointing into max HP increase sooner than you did.

I also think that many of the guides on hidden street are completed outdated, and need to be either: removed, or updated.


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Posted 08 December 2007 - 08:30 AM

1: updated it is now on hidden-street 2: I will update te one on forums in a few versions time to save the hassle. 3: the updated one isnt as Biased(I hope) 4:fixed some builds.

I would like suggestions on it like for example

BUILD *** should do PS first <-- EXAMPLE

not just stuff like 'juu hab b4d bueelds'

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 10:31 AM

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The most common and recommended warrior build is 5 HP Recovery>MAX HP Increase>MAX PS/SB (one then the other)>whatever.


Never said juu hab b4d bueelds. If you don't appreciate all that's been said, why ask? I will repeat that your "HIGHELY recommended" build is not at all recommended, and that it is your "NOT recommended" build which is most commonly used. And if you don't want to put the "NOT recommended" above your "HIGHELY recommended" one, simply put all builds equally, saying that each is an option left for the player to decide.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 12:25 PM

Here's an example:

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Strong build (NOT recommended)

level 10 -1 PS
level 11 -3 PS
level 12 -3 PS
level 13 -3 PS
level 14 -3 PS
level 15 -3 PS
level 16 -3 PS
level 17 -1 PS (maxed), 2 Improving HP Recovery
level 18 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 19 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 20 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 21 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 22 -1 Improving Max HP Increase (maxed), 2 SB
local 23 -3 SB
level 24 -3 SB
level 25 -3 SB
level 26 -3 SB
level 27 -3 SB
level 28 -3 SB (Maxed)
level 29 -3 Improving HP Recovery
Level 30 -3 Improving HP Recovery


Do you want to know WHY? Because by level 30 a person who maxed PS first or last will do the SAME damage regardless. However, if you max Max HP Increase FIRST rather than max it last, or in the middle there will be a difference in HP by level 30.

Also keep in mind that the HP gap will get LARGER as the person continues to level up. Anyone who maxs PS first should honestly start over, because they will pay dearly in the end for YOUR mistake (because people might follow your guide).

Like I said before, it doesn't come down to opinion if damage > HP - because in the end they'll do the same amount of damage, but with less HP. It's smarter to have more hp, and do the same amount of damage.

EDIT: And like Blade said, you have your builds mixed up. Your guide is based on opinion rather than fact. The FACT is that your recommend build will resolve in less hp in higher levels - and HP is important. Your OPINION is that damage is better than HP - but this is level 10-30 we're talking about... while you might level faster for about 20 levels - it will surely screw you over in higher levels.


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Posted 08 December 2007 - 06:19 PM

did you guys even read the update... I fixed the build thing a while back.. (unless I forgot to rename build xD)

so it isnt the HIGHELY RECOMENDED one now. kthx

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 08:42 PM

Updates don't mean a thing if the actual guide hasn't been edited.

Your builds still state that maxing PS is the smartest thing to do and getting Max HP increase isn't recommended.


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Posted 08 December 2007 - 08:52 PM

I'd complain about the "Not recommended" just as much, because to everyone else, that is the highly recommended build.

Also, you still seem to think Saders are the best class in the game.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 09:04 PM

....Bias is annoying. Facts are useful, opinions are not. I would suggest rewriting your guide completely from scratch, and in the new guide, stay away from the "Sader is teh best" thing. Also, I agree with Blade Oracle, warriors have little to NO need for extra damage % in the beginning because they hit kind of low. Even if they get MAXED Power Strike, the damage bonus % is based off the damage capabilities before the skill calculation. HP is much more important at that level, so I'd change the recommended build to the most common one, Improving MaxHP maxed first.

>.> Whoa. I write a lot when I encounter some form of bias in a (supposedly) fact-based guide.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 03:21 AM

Uh... I have found... many... things wrong with this... o.O...

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-Why be a warrior? [1.2]

1. Easiest to level 1-10
2. Best melee dmg
3. Slash blast owns =]]
4. No need to buy tons of pots
5. Huge health

Uh... I may be slightly a low level... but... on my cousin's messed up account (which got deleted and was level 30) I used like... many potions... and by experience, you use MORE potions at higher levels... so... no... I used less on my magician... >.<


2. YOUR BUILDS....
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My Build (...)

level 10 -1 Improving HP Recovery
level 11 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 12 -1 Improving HP Recovery, 2 Improving Max HP Increase
level 13 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 14 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 15 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 16 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 17 -2 Improving Max HP Increase , 1 SB
level 18 -3 SB
level 19 -3 SB
level 20 -3 SB
level 21 -3 SB
level 22 -3 SB
level 23 -3 SB
level 24 -1 SB , 2 PS
level 25 -3 PS
level 26 -3 PS
level 27 -3 PS
level 28 -3 PS
level 29 -3 PS
Level 30 -3 PS

You made a error. xD... You need to get 1 in power Strike before you can get 1 in Slash Blast. xD.


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level 10 -1 PS
level 11 -3 PS
level 12 -3 PS
level 13 -3 PS
level 14 -3 PS
level 15 -3 PS
level 16 -3 PS
level 17 -1 PS (maxed), 2 Improving HP Recovery
level 18 -3 Improving HP Recovery
level 19 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 20 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 21 -3 Improving Max HP Increase
level 22 -1 Improving Max HP Increase (maxed), 2 SB
level 23 -3 SB
level 24 -3 SB
level 25 -3 SB
level 26 -3 SB
level 27 -3 SB
level 28 -3 SB (Maxed)
level 29 -3 Improving HP Recovery
Level 30 -3 Improving HP Recovery

HECK NO. THAT IS ALL.


4.
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What the bonus consists of:

Pigs, Ribboned pigs, some Iron hogs, which is decent exp for you're lvl.

You might want to change that 'Iron Hog' part. xD.

And... I'm not bothered looking through the rest... too hot today... >.<
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 08:21 AM

Thank you ALL for posting =] I WILL fix all these problems you talk about now =] ty especialy to the guy above ^

and I will try to rid of all my (biased) text if I can, if not then I will make a warning at the top of the guide which is also fair. I will fix this and then update it in about a day or so.. more suggestions/feedback would be nice. you are all helping.

EDIT:

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V 1.5

Updated, fixed the builds (lol), some spelling errors fixed, fixed
the monsters I said that are in hpq.

I would like to say a huge thanks to XtraBlaze from Mapletip
for helping me with some errors, also thanks to Blade Oracle,
pinkfurryone, You have all helped with you're suggestions!

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It will be uploaded to Hidden-Street shortly. =]] Thank you all again.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 11:01 AM

Call me nitpicky, but that's just what I do =P.

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Almost 4 years, and have played every class and that is why I
am writing this guide, because Crusader's are the best character
In the game for high DMG!


Have you played every 3rd job class and from there determined Crusaders do the best damage? If any class is the "best" at something, there are a lot of terms it must be under. Thus, Saders do the best damage in the third job only when soloing monsters every six hits.
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I love watching their dmg (50k+) which is the best
Dmg any class in maple can do.


Very misleading. You should put something like "the best single-hit damage any third job class can do."
Let me explain my damage per second reasoning just to make things clear. Let's say I hit 10k every 3 seconds but this hermit next to me hits 4k every second. In a minute, I'd have done 200k damage but the hermit would have done 240k damage, making his damage output better than mine. This is why many people don't care about single hits.

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4. No need to buy tons of pots


Yes you do. Melee classes must be close to their monster, increased their chances of getting hit. Thus you will get hit more than mages, sins, and archers. Bandits even will get hit less because of their high avoid and speed.

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Strong build (Funded) - Best for soloers & highest dmg


Higher damage early on, but nothing that will drastically change training speed. The tradeoff is at least 400 HP by level 50, and much more later on.
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There is also a time limit for
completing each stage of the party quest.


Unless they've changed it, I remember there being only the overall timer.

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Most melee dmg in game.


Actually, it's equivalent to pages and less than spearmen.

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Most dmg in game.


Untrue. Mage mobbers get far more damage than SB because of elemental advantage.
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4. Level fast
10. Pretty fast levelling


Nice =P

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8. Pretty fast swords/axes


Axes are generally "slow."

Your "why not be a fighter/crusader" list is, um, confusing. I'm not sure you really say anything.

Your bit on swords and axes is way to small. Expand. I believe in kevin y's page guide, he covers pretty much every aspect.

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Very helpful! Save a LOT on MP pots. MAX this out after your vital
skills.


Eh, saves no more than 200k a level or so.

Pretty much all I have for now.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 01:00 PM

Either add the guide here or delete this topic. Honestly, don't say "updated, to go [website] to see it."


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Posted 09 December 2007 - 02:04 PM

I agree. It's a simple matter of copy pasting, and saves readers the trouble of going elsewhere, which they probably won't.

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