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#21 Khaos

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 01:25 PM

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I would also would like to know what you're experience is as a mage.


I have a level 33 Ice and Lightning Wizard, and a level 16(and rising rapidly) LUKless.


I figured as much. Maybe you should continue your guide until you reach higher levels. It just seems you don't have the experience yet to start a guide.



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Posted 02 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

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This guide talks more about funding / 1st job than I/L in general.
&it's pretty much all common sense. :X


I just haven't gotten to the second job advancement yet. It may be common sense to YOU, but maybe it's not so common sense to some other people. Some people don't HAVE common sense. mush1j.gif And some people who're new to the game, or new to Magicians, maybe they don't know anything about them, don't have experience some of you guys have. Ever think of them when you talk about 'common sense'?

Before you bash my UNFINISHED guide, think about what you're bashing about it.

Well why are you calling it an I/L guide when you don't even go into I/L mages?
Even if it's unfinished, it should at least say something about 2nd job.
Oh, and there's some wrong information in your guide.
(Potential int on an overall is 50, not 30, Lukless / Regular luk don't even out if evenly funded, The maple weapons are 64, not 70, Lukless > Regular Luk for unfunded because of cheaper equips)
&You left out Low Luk mages lol.
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Posted 05 December 2007 - 06:04 PM

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Artiste is starting to scare me. o_o You can ask me about stuff for i/l builds and stuff if you need help on it ;3

Scare you? Silly Aster. I could use all the help I can get, BTW. Thanks!

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I figured as much. Maybe you should continue your guide until you reach higher levels. It just seems you don't have the experience yet to start a guide.


Do you mean 'discontinue'? o.O I've gotten most of my knowledge from reading endlessly about MapleStory, be it other guides, wikis, or some other thing. I may not have personal experience, but I have knowledge.

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Well why are you calling it an I/L guide when you don't even go into I/L mages?
Even if it's unfinished, it should at least say something about 2nd job.

Well, it'll be a rightful I/L guide once I get to it. I'm not to them, or mentioning them, yet, because I'm making sure people actually want me to write the guide, and like the style and I'm making sure that the first job information is correct.

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Oh, and there's some wrong information in your guide.
(Potential int on an overall is 50, not 30, Lukless / Regular luk don't even out if evenly funded, The maple weapons are 64, not 70, Lukless > Regular Luk for unfunded because of cheaper equips)
&You left out Low Luk mages lol.


Thank you. I'll add that in in the next update; don't have time now.

What the snap is a Low-LUK Mage?

Edited by Artiste, 03 December 2007 - 07:30 PM.

2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 05 December 2007 - 08:16 PM

when you get luk equipments to wear high level staffs while you keep your luk lower than usual.
This isn't worth it unless you have a lot of money. :X
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Posted 05 December 2007 - 08:23 PM

Ah. It sounds like a rather Low-Dexy Assassin build. =D Thanks for informing meh.
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 05 December 2007 - 08:39 PM

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when you get luk equipments to wear high level staffs while you keep your luk lower than usual.
This isn't worth it unless you have a lot of money. :X

And why? For the most part, LUK gear is less expensive than INT gear. Compare the prices of dark to red anakamoons, dark to red circlets, dark anything to any colored anything.

I don't like the "Low-LUK" categorization. Actually I don't like any "Low-stat" categorization, because all it implies is that the character doesn't have more points in his secondary stat than he needs due to equipment that boosts the secondary stat. (sorry for rant)

I would add that to maximize your magic, just don't let any stat points go to waste in LUK. Get total LUK from your equipment to match the total LUK required for your desired staff/wand. For example, I have 60 (base) + 5 (overall) + 1 (shoe) + 2 (shield) = 68 points in LUK to equip my EW (not adding anymore LUK).

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE(kevin y @ Dec 5 2007, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(iEatNewbie @ Dec 6 2007, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
when you get luk equipments to wear high level staffs while you keep your luk lower than usual.
This isn't worth it unless you have a lot of money. :X

And why? For the most part, LUK gear is less expensive than INT gear. Compare the prices of dark to red anakamoons, dark to red circlets, dark anything to any colored anything.

I don't like the "Low-LUK" categorization. Actually I don't like any "Low-stat" categorization, because all it implies is that the character doesn't have more points in his secondary stat than he needs due to equipment that boosts the secondary stat. (sorry for rant)

I would add that to maximize your magic, just don't let any stat points go to waste in LUK. Get total LUK from your equipment to match the total LUK required for your desired staff/wand. For example, I have 60 (base) + 5 (overall) + 1 (shoe) + 2 (shield) = 68 points in LUK to equip my EW (not adding anymore LUK).

It's more expensive to get luk equips because they're rare. Noone really scrolls luk equips for mages.
&You'd need a zhelm and luk shield to be as strong as lukless or stronger than normal luk.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 05:22 PM

Hm.. it doesn't sound like it's very popular, seeing as I'd never heard of it until you posted about it. >_>

I'll add it into the guide anyway.

Edited the guide with the Low-LUK Mage info, and some other things that aren't so noticeable; I don't even remember them. XDDDD
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 07 December 2007 - 05:32 PM

I know a few low luk mages, lol.
&A lot of people on SW's 'top m.att. for level' thread are low luk.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 04:11 PM

Heh, I said I've never heard of them. :3 I don't go on SleepyWood all that often, so I wouldn't really know. xD

At least I finally mentioned Second job, eh? *Poke*

Edit: Edited the guide with the second job test. Time's up, so, I'll edit it as soon as I can(December 10, 2007, 9:58 PM).

Edit 2: Edited in the skills for second job itself, time is up, so, see you tomorrow (December 11, 2007, 5:11 PM).
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 12 December 2007 - 03:18 AM

Hey, Artiste! I found a GREAT training spot if you don't mind using a fair amount of potions or waiting for your MP to recharge from level 20-22 at least: Ant Tunnel I. If you focus on the Horned Mushrooms, you'll get a TON of exp, good for those levels before KPQ. I leveled 3 times today! Level 23 FTW! mush1a.gif

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 06:48 AM

Artiste, maybe you have never noticed this phenominon but it goes like this. In HPQ they're are 10 or 12 plants (can't remember).
On the furthermost right is one blue plant.
The next two to the left are Yellow Plants.
The next 2 to the left of the yellow are the brown.
Then Pink.
Then 1 purple, 1 green, 1 purple,
above that the left one is blue I beleive and the right one is Green.

I'll double check today and get back to you, I'll do a paint picture w/ screenshot to help.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE(Pinkfurryone @ Dec 12 2007, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, Artiste! I found a GREAT training spot if you don't mind using a fair amount of potions or waiting for your MP to recharge from level 20-22 at least: Ant Tunnel I. If you focus on the Horned Mushrooms, you'll get a TON of exp, good for those levels before KPQ. I leveled 3 times today! Level 23 FTW! mush1a.gif


Awesome. *Will try it later* And you're not even LUKless on Fury! >:D That just tells me how awesomesauce it'd be for LUKLesses. >:3


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Artiste, maybe you have never noticed this phenomenon but it goes like this. In HPQ they're are 10 or 12 plants (can't remember).
On the furthermost right is one blue plant.
The next two to the left are Yellow Plants.
The next 2 to the left of the yellow are the brown.
Then Pink.
Then 1 purple, 1 green, 1 purple,
above that the left one is blue I believe and the right one is Green.

I'll double check today and get back to you, I'll do a paint picture w/ screenshot to help.


Yeah... that was a rather major thing to forget about, huh? xD But, I seem to remember... the top left is Green and the other is Blue. You have saved me the trouble of getting into another HPQ and checking this out for myself; thanks so much! mush1a.gif

*Edits guide with Scan9's STR Mage info; waiting for DaddyJ4's confirmation and for Maple time so he can check out Horny Mushies*


Edit: Edited in the second job skill builds, and Furry's training advice for the H.M's.(December 12th, 2007, 6:52 PM).
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 12 December 2007 - 08:02 PM

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Artiste, maybe you have never noticed this phenomenon but it goes like this. In HPQ they're are 10 or 12 plants (can't remember).
On the furthermost right is one blue plant.
The next two to the left are Yellow Plants.
The next 2 to the left of the yellow are the brown.
Then Pink.
Then 1 purple, 1 green, 1 purple,
above that the left one is blue I believe and the right one is Green.

I'll double check today and get back to you, I'll do a paint picture w/ screenshot to help.


Ok, the left one is the green and the right one is blue. Checked it earlier today, I've level 22 like you now =D. And from personal experience making a level 28 lukless magician (which I miss) I can tell you that at level 20 and until about level 35 Horny Mushrooms/ Ant Tunnel 1 are great training spots. Horny Mushrooms are weak to magic so you can 1 hit them at level 20 if your lukless.

Your welcome in advance =D

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:32 PM

Thanks, Daddy, for the info. I have grim news, thus spoiling the guide.

I've been grounded off of the computer until further notice. That could last months, days, or years, I don't know. I'm making a thread about it in the MTD forum, so you'll get the full info there. I've been given today to sort everything out, thankfully, but I probably won't be on for a long time.

Thanks guys, for all of the critique and additions of the guide, and I really appreciate it.

Mods, close this if you wish, though if threads can't be reopened, I'd like it to stay open. Bye.
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:42 PM

Hey, I have the stats for the other advancements too >.<

I said u just follow a basic warrior build, silly. I have the skills for the others as well... I'm waiting for maplewiki to have MORE info on the 4th job skills so I can completely finish my guide.

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 06:26 PM

I'm not covering all three/four advancements. I'm only covering first job(for STR Mages, lawl), for this is an I/L guide. =P

Also, read the amended thread in the MTD forum; I misheard Mom.... >_>

Edit: I posted the guide in the MapleWiki. Here's the link: Artiste's Ice and Lightning Wizard Guide.

Edited by Artiste, 13 December 2007 - 09:41 PM.

2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 15 December 2007 - 05:38 AM

OMGYEY!

I reached Ice/Lightning Wizard on PinkFizzyIce! luvmush.gif those new skills...

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 06:28 PM

Congrats, Furry! mush1a.gif

It'd be REALLY nice if you could post where you train as you gain some levels in here, and I'll edit them into the Wiki version of the guide; I'm not going to be updating this one anymore.... >_>
2 How long, O LORD, must I call for help, but you do not listen? Or cry out to you, "Violence!" but you do not save? 3 Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. 4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. (5 is the Lord replying to Habakkuk)5 "Look at the nations and watch— and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." Habakkuk 1:2-5

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4


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Posted 15 December 2007 - 06:32 PM

I did a bunch of grinding at Pink Teddies and I did the Nemi quest chain to get the Green Jester... Pink Teddies, if you train on them, have a chance of dropping Blue Chaos Robes. Not the best option INTwise, but still cool-looking for an I/L mage. mush1k.gif

I also trained on Crows a bit at Zipangu, but I wound up back at KPQ. It's really the best way to go...

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